Some more research notes

Various notes on bits of paper i’ve gathered over the years.  As always in these posts, not all of these people are related to me, but I noted these things down at the time as they could have been.

From the Staffordshire BMD indexes:

Hannah Pointon death registered 1871 Newcastle under Lyme, Audey sub district, ref. AUD/011/41

Hannah Pointon death registered 1877 Newcastle under Lyme, Audley sub district, ref. AUD/014/4

George Pointon death registered 1888 Newcastle under Lyme, Audley sub district, ref. AUD/018/99

Thomas Stockton married Mary H Grocott – St. Margaret, Wolstanton – 1873 – ref. C30/12/450

Alfred Stockton married Kate Lightfoot – St. Mary, Knutton – 1884 – ref. C15/1/101

Samuel Stockton married Jane Hughes – St. Mary, Knutton – 1887 – ref. C15/1/175

Alexander Stockton married Ellen Dickin – St. Luke, Silverdale – 1892 – ref. C26/1/458

William J Stockton married Elizabeth Key – St. Mary, Knutton – 1893 – ref. C15/1/383

Thomas Stockton married Rosalina Stubbs – St. Mary, Knutton – 1895 – ref. C15/1/408

From St. Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire parish registers:

Baptisms to John and Peggy Woodhouse –

Nancy on the 30th June 1791

Agnes on the 15th January 1789

Jane on the 3rd January 1799

Mary on the 3rd January 1796

Betty on the 11th April 1793

John on the 15th August 1802

Margaret on the 3rd April 1800

Thomas Dickinson on the 26th August 1805

From the GRO Index:

Alice Pedder death registered Lancaster March quarter 1843, ref. 21 362

Peter Pedder death registered Preston September quarter 1845, ref. 21 354

Mary Ann Bradshaw death registered Lancaster March quarter 1850, ref. 21 382

James Docker death registered Ulverston March quarter 1857, ref. 8e 428

Isabella Willison death registered Ulverston March quarter 1895 aged 69, ref. 8e 641

James Holme death registered Kendal March quarter 1840, ref. 25 331

James Holme death registered Ulverston March quarter 1868, aged 67, ref. 8e 472

From the 1841 England Census

36 Bridge Lane, Lancaster –

William Bradshaw – 37 – Blockmaker – born Lancashire

Mary Ann Bradshaw – 37 – born Lancashire

Edward Bradshaw – 11 – born Lancashire

Margaret Bradshaw – 5 – born Lancashire

Betsy Bradshaw – 9 months – born Lancashire

12 St. George’s Quay, Lancaster –

Christopher Bradshaw – 65 – Burtons mariner – born Lancashire

May C. Bradshaw – 60 – born Lancashire

Agnes Bradshaw – 20 – born Lancashire

Under Gardens, Damside Street, Lancaster –

Edward Bradshaw – 32 – currier & leather dealer – born Lancashire

Margaret Bradshaw – 32 – not born Lancashire

William Bradshaw – 9 – not born Lancashire

John Bradshaw – 7 – not born Lancashire

Elizabeth Bradshaw – 6 – born Lancashire

Hannah Bradshaw – 2 – born Lancashire

Margaret Bradshaw junior – 8 months – born Lancashire

From the 1851 England Census:

Parr Stocks, Parr –

Peter Cundliffe – Head – coal miner – 56 – born Parr

Mary Cundliffe – Wife – 55 – born Parr

Joseph Cundliffe – Son – coal miner – 16 – born Parr

Saml. Cundliffe – Son – coal miner – 13 – born Parr

John Cundliffe – Son – wid. – coal miner – 35 – born Parr

Miles Cundliffe – Son – wid. – coal miner – 32 – brn Parr

Mary Cundliffe – G. Dau. – scholar – 8 – born Parr

John Cundliffe – G. Son – scholar – 10 – born Parr

Ralph Cundliffe – G. Son – scholar – 8 – born Parr

Mary Cundliffe – G. Dau. – scholar – 6 – born Parr

And from the 1861 England Census:

Park Road Beerhouse, Parr  –

Thomas Francis – Head – marr. – 40 – Beerseller – born Parr

Esther Francis – Wife – marr. – 40 – born Parr

Wm. Francis – Son — 18 – born Parr

John Francis – Son – 15 – born Parr

Ellen Francis – Dau – 8 – born Parr

Elizth. Francis – Dau. – 2 – born Parr

Samuel Francis – Son – 4 mths. – born Parr

 

 

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The mysterious Elizabeth Harrison

Nan with father (2)My great grandmother, Elizabeth Harrison was apparently born on the 25th October 1903, to Frederick Harrison and Theresa Travis in St. Helens.  However, things don’t seem as they initially appear.

Although the family have always believed it to be the case that my great grandmother was the daughter of Frederick and Theresa, no birth certificate has been located.  By this sort of time, civil registration had been established for quite some time, and other children of Frederick and Theresa were registered.

There was only one Elizabeth Harrison listed whose birth was registered in the December quarter of 1903 in the General Register Office index, and who appears on the Lancashire BMD index as being born in St. Helens.

This Elizabeth was the daughter of Peter Harrison and Margaret Ann Lewis, born at 46 Victoria Street, St. Helens on the 15th September 1903.  The birth was registered by Margaret on the 2nd October 1903.

There was another Elizabeth Harrison born in what was known as Newton in Makerfield (now Newton le Willows), at 25 Birch Street, Newton on the 12th September 1903 to John Henry Harrison and Margaret Jones.  The birth was registered on the 12th October 1903.

I considered another option, the possibility that one of Theresa Travis’s sisters may have been nan’s mum, I did a search on the Lancashire BMD site for an Elizabeth Travis/Traverse born in St. Helens, there was only one registered in 1903, however, that was a cousin of my great grandmother, daughter of Thomas Henry Travis and Alice Ann Harrison who was born on the 2nd December 1902, and whose birth was registered by Alice Ann on the 13th January 1903.

My great grandmother appears on the 1911 census, intriguingly listed as aged 5, daughter of Frederick and Theresa at 12 Sandon Street, St. Helens.

Elizabeth Harrison, daughter of Peter and Margaret Ann appears on the 1911 census at 12 Peel Street, St. Helens.  So this Elizabeth wasn’t adopted by Frederick and Theresa as their own.

There is an Elizabeth Harrison listed on the 1911 census aged 7 as a very likely candidate for the daughter of John Henry Harrison and Margaret Jones.  Her father is listed as “Henry”, and widowed, the family are living at 44 Haydock Lane in 1911, so,once again, this doesn’t appear to be nan.

Elizabeth Travis/Traverse, daughter of Thomas Henry and Alice Ann was also lised on the 1911 census, at 99 Eldon Street, St. Helens.

My great grandparents, Elizabeth Harrison and William Bibby married on the 19th April 1924 at St. Peter’s in Parr.  Nan, aged 20 gave her dad’s name as “Frederick Harrison”.

I have had a couple of DNA matches with people from Theresa Travis’s side of the family, but as yet, no matches with anyone known through my research into the Harrison family.

UPDATE 4th July 2016 – All Elizabeths born in the St. Helens area in the December quarter of 1903 have now been accounted for.  There are no possible births registered for an Elizabeth, whose death wasn’t registered before the 1911 census , or who wasn’t otherwise accounted for on the 1911 Census born on the correct date.

UPDATE 22nd October 2016 – Received the birth certificate of an Elizabeth Harrison born on the 17th October 1905, this Elizabeth was born at 8 Blackhorse Street, St Helens to Joseph and Mary Ann Harrison (nee Wallace), and I think this Elizabeth died in 1909, buried at St. Helens cemetery in a public grave.

 

 

Transcript of the affiliation order of Henry Burrows

Henry Burrows is one of my 5 times great grandfathers through his daughter, Eliza, who married Charles Thrush in Eccles, Lancashire in 1832.

He was born on the 21st November 1787 in Parr, baptised at St. Helens church, Prescot on the 9th December 1787 to Mary Burrows.

Due to Henry’s dad, Samuel Hill being linked to my paternal nan’s family line, and Charles and Eliza Thrush being linked to my paternal grandad’s family line, Henry is related to both my dad’s mum and dad, being my grandad’s 3rd great grandfather, and a half 3rd great grand uncle of my nan.  (Nan and grandad are 3rd cousins once removed to each other)

The Order made by Thomas Lyon Esquire and Edward Owen Clerk two of his Majesty’s Justices of the Peace and Quorum in and for the said County under their hands and Seals bearing date the Thirtieth day of January last Wherein and Whereby Samuel Hill of Winwick with Hulme in the said County Labourer is Declared and Adjudged to be the Reputed Father of Henry a Male Bastard Child born upon the Body of Mary Burrows of Parr in the said County Singlewoman and he thereby ordered forthwith to pay or cause to be paid unto the Overseers of the Poor of the Township of Parr aforesaid the sum of One Pound and nineteen shillings which they have Expended and been put unto by Reason and on Account of the said Mary Burrow’s lying in and in Maintaining the said Bastard Child to the time of Making the same Order

And Also to Pay or Cause to be Paid unto the Overseers of the Poor of the Township of Parr aforesaid for the time being or some of them the Sum of One Shilling and Sixpence in money weekly and every Week from that time for and during so long time as the said Bastard Child shall be Chargeable to the same Township for and towards the Relief and Keeping of the same Bastard Child is by this Court Ratified and Confirmed no appeal being made and due Service of the said Order Proved upon the Oath of James Naylor.

Samuel Hill went on to marry Isabella Simpson on the 7th June 1790 at St. Helens, Lancashire, their son, Isaac Hill being the 3 times great grandfather of my nan, and Mary Burrows went on to marry John Bickerstaff on the 8th October 1792 at St. Mary the Virgin, Prescot.

Some more research notes

Yes, I have lots of notes, so, here are some more that are floating around on bits of paper.  As with all in this series of research notes, not all of these individuals are related, I jotted  things down at the time just in case they might be related.

 

From the Lancashire records office:

Reference QSP/2942/50 Date – 7th October 1830

Petitions – Kirkdale – Epiphany 1831

File Sutton – Order of filiation and maintenance of James, bastard child of John Allcock of Eccleston, labourer and Ellen Sherratt, singlewoman.

Reference DDX2743/MS5106

Lancaster: Order from 2 J.P.s of Lancaster to the Churchwarden and Overseers of the the Poor of Lancaster, to Convey Reuben Pym and Margaret, his wife to Banwell, Co. Somerset, their place of legal settlement. Copy 1 of 2

Dated 1st October 1817

 

1841 Census returns:

At Hindley Row, Burtonwood, Lancashire, England

Geo. Pownall – 65 – Weaver – born Lancashire

Betty Hill – 40 – widow – born Lancashire

Joseph Hill – 9 – born Lancashire

At Collins Green, Burtonwood

Wm. Hill – 25 – Joiner – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 25 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 3 – Born Lancashire

Also at Collins Green

Wm. Hill – 75 – pauper – Born Lancashire

Ellen Whittle – 35 – Born Lancashire

Henry Hill – 12 – B’smith app – Born Lancashire

Mary Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

Alice Whittle – 5 – Born Lancashire

Ann Whittle – 3 – Born Lancashire

Emma Whittle – 1 – Born Lancashire

At High Street, Newton, Lancashire, England

Moses Hill – 45 – Clogger – Born Lancashire

Ann Hill – 45 – Born Lancashire

Ann Hill – 15 – Born Lancashire

At Dallam Lane, Burtonwood, Lancashire

Thomas Parr – 50 – Ag lab. – Born Lancashire

Martha Parr – 50 – Born Lancashire

Vulcan Foundry, Newton, Lancashire

James Hill – 35 – labr. – Born Lancashire

Elizth. Hill – 30 – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 11 – Born Lancashire

Thomas Hill – 9 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

James Hill – 4 – Born Lancashire

Samuel Hill – 1 – Born Lancashire

Also at Vulcan Foundry

Isaac Hill – 25 – labr. – Born Lancashire

Charlot Hill – 25 – Born Lancashire

Samuel Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 4 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 3 months – Born Lancashire

 

From the probate index:

Thomas Chapman the elder died on the 3rd September 1865 at Ampthill.  Will proved at the Principal Registry by oath of Thomas Chapman of Ampthill the son & sole executor.  Effects under £3000

 

From the index of deaths:

March quarter 1959 – George W Pim – 59 – Burnley – ref. 10b 933

September quarter 1955 – Henry E Pimm – 9 – Blackburn – ref. 10b 320

December quarter 1953 – Elizabeth A Pim – 60 – Nelson – ref. 10e 516

December quarter 1952 – Herbert H Pym – 78 – Preston – 10f 292

March quarter 1952 – Amelia Pym – 80 – Fylde – 10c 302

December quarter 1949 – Alfred Pym – 86 – Lancaster – 10c 546

September quarter 1947 – Isabella Pym – 78 – Lancaster – 10c 422

March quarter 1947 – Jane A Pimm – 74 – Lancaster – 10c 780

December quarter 1946 – William Pym – 81 – Clitheroe – 10c 54

 

From St. Helens, Lancashire electoral registers, registered at each address on the 15th April 1923:  (Spellings as per the electoral register)

31 Tickle Street – Francis, Ellen and William Bibby

2 Francis Street  – Thomas Poynton and Abigail Poynton

19 Robins Lane  – George Charles Pointon and Elizabeth Pointon

37 Sandon Street – Mary Caroline Carney, George Carney, Frederick Harrison Snr. and Frederick Harrison Jnr.

 

From the 1891 Census:

At 172 Parr Stocks Road, Parr

William Bibby – 46 – Head – Coal miner – Born St. Helens, Lancashire

Elizabeth Bibby – 53 – Wife – Born St. Helens, Lancashire

Annie Sharrocks – 8 – niece – Born Chowbent, Lancashire

At 57 Appleton Street, Sutton (All born St. Helens, Lancashire)

Will Harrison – 42 – Head – Collier

Alice Harrison – 38 – Wife

John Harrison – 18 – Son – Coal miner

Alice A Harrison – 15 – Daughter – [I started to write something then scribbled it out]

Fred K Harrison – 13 – Son – Drawer pusher – glass

Sarah Harrison – 10 – Daughter

Louisa Harrison – 8 – Daughter

Ellen Harrison – 6 – Daughter

Florence Harrison – 4 – Daughter

Robert Harrison – 1 – Son

 

And finally, some notes from the probate index:

Abraham Poynton died 11th August 1924 of 7 Laburnum Cottages, Crawshawbooth, Lancs.  Admin 20th September 1924 to Norman Poynton cotton piecer.  Effects £347 15s 8d

Thomas Pointon of 2 Francis Street, St. Helens died 8th Jan 1927.  Admin Liverpool on the 24th March 1927 to Abigail Pointon widow.  Effects £50

Jane Poynton of Netherfield Road North Liverpool (Wife of Wm. Henry) died 8th April 1904 Admin Liverpool to Wm. Henry, a carter.  Effects £84 13s 4d

Mary Pointon of Miles Grn. Audley, Staffs. (Widow) died 5th September 1904.  Probate Lichfield 16th February 1905 to Thomas Pointon miner.  Effects £138 16s

Ellen Bibby of 229 Nutgrove Road, St. Helens, Lancs. widow died on the 24th July 1933.  Probate London on the 8th August 1933 to Albert Winstanley, blacksmith and Ronald Maxwell, solicitor.  Effects £343 5s 11d

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

St. Helens

The place where my ancestral lines converge, where I was brought up.

I thought it might be an idea to make posts every now and again about places in the family tree, so, this is the first one – St. Helens, Lancashire, England.  I might occasionally update, and edit these posts.

Commonly thought of now as being in Merseyside, due to 1974 local authority reorganisation, however, there was no reorganisation of the historical counties, only to government administrative areas.  Something the government has acknowledged.

Thomas and Abigail Pointon (nee Stockton) travelled to St Helens from Wrinehill, Staffordshire with their family in about 1902.  Thomas was a coal miner, and there were certainly plenty of coal mines in the St. Helens area.  The Pointons settled in the Sutton area of St. Helens, living at Francis Street and Boscow Crescent.

My great great grandfather, Francis Bibby, and his wife Ellen (nee Cundliffe) lived in Tickle Street, Parr.

Elizabeth Harrison (my great grandmother) was living in Sandon Street, Sutton in the 1911 census with her parents, Frederick (born in Peter Street, off Boundary Road) and Theresa (nee Travis/Traverse) (born in Baxters Lane, Sutton)

Mum’s birth father was registered living at the miner’s hostel in Mill Lane, Sutton in 1951.

The Ormrod family, who became mum’s adopted family, lived in the Mersey Street area of Parr.

St Helens is probably a bigger place than some may think.  There are roughly 175,000 people who live in the area.

However, it is in relatively recent times that St. Helens became a town in its own right.  If you have ancestors from St. Helens, you’ll probably have noticed either”Eccleston in Prescot”, “Sutton”, “Parr”, “Rainford” or “Windle” as the place listed on the 1881 census.

Useful St. Helens links:

St. Helens Rolls of Honour

St. Helens Townships Family History Society

St. Helens Connect

Sutton Beauty and Heritage

St. Helens Local History and Archives

Lancashire Online Parish Clerks – Parish of St. Helens

St. Helens Council Deceased Search

Liverpool and South West Lancashire Family History Society

Lancashire Archives