Elizabeth Harrison (1903 to 1998)

Nan holding dad
Nan holding dad

Elizabeth Harrison, my great grandmother, was born on the 25th October 1903 to Frederick/”Fred” and Theresa (nee Travis/Traverse) and I knew her as “nan with father”.

Nan Nan with Father Jim Elsie and Mavis Bibby
Nan with father and children

Nan was brought up in the Peasley Cross area of St Helens, and married father, William Bibby on the 19th April 1924 at St Peter, Parr.

Nan and Father
Nan and father

 

By the time of the 1939 national register, nan and father were living in Evelyn Avenue in Parr.

Nan died on the 25th June 1998 and was buried with father at St Helens cemetery on the 2nd July 1998.

Acknowledgements

 

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DNA find helps with great grandmother question

This morning, while going through my DNA matches, I came across a match who had these people within their tree:

The match is a 5th to 8th cousin match, so I didn’t expect them to be particularly close, however, I do have both Glovers and Jacksons in the family tree.

Looking at the Glovers first, they were in the wrong area, but when I spotted Huntingdonshire with a link to Jacksons, I was a little bit excited.

My great grandmother, Elizabeth Harrison, has Jacksons on her dad’s side from Huntingdonshire, and if I could link these Jacksons in this matches family tree to my Jacksons, then this would be my best find in quite a while among my dna matches.

I searched for the baptism of Susannah Jackson, to a Mary in Huntingdonshire in 1808.  There was only one I could see, on the 2nd October 1808 at Holme.

The next thing I did was to check on a map for the distance between Connington (where some of my Jacksons lived) and Holme , the 2 places were very close.  I then checked for the baptism of a Mary Jackson at about the right time in my family tree and online, a 6th great aunt, Mary Jackson was baptised at Connington, Huntingdonshire to William and Mary Jackson in 1786.  A descendant of Mary would fit in nicely to the relationship projection of 5th to 8th cousin for the dna match I was looking at.

I believe that this Mary was the sister of my 5 times great grandfather, Edward Jackson.

I am very happy to have found this match, the first on my great grandmother’s paternal side.

The Harrison family

My great grandmother, Elizabeth Harrison, who i’ve mentioned before, here, was apparently the daughter of Frederick Harrison and Theresa Traverse.

Frederick, born in St Helens, Lancashire, in 1877 was one of 10 children born to William Jackson Harrison (born in Hull, Yorkshire in 1848 to another William Harrison, a shoemaker, and his wife Ann Jackson) and Alice Smith (born in 1854, the daughter of John Smith and his wife, Alice Owen in St Helens)

The Harrisons were, like many other families a large family.  Other children of William Jackson Harrison and Alice Smith were William John Harrison born 1872, Alice Ann Harrison born 1874 (She went on to marry the brother of Theresa Traverse, Thomas Henry), there was a Frederick born in 1874 who died as a baby, Sarah Ellen Harrison born 1880 married a Henry Bickerstaffe, Louisa Harrison born 1882 married a John William Hawksworth, Ellen Harrison baptised in 1884, Florrie Harrison born in about 1886 married a William Henry Kay, a Robert Harrison was born in about 1890, and finally, a Harriett Harrison was born in about 1892.

The family lived in the Peasley Cross area of St Helens, and many of the men in the family were miners, just as lots of those in the area were.

Are you also descended from William and Alice and would like to get in touch?  Please use the contact form here.

The mysterious Elizabeth Harrison

Nan with father (2)My great grandmother, Elizabeth Harrison was apparently born on the 25th October 1903, to Frederick Harrison and Theresa Travis in St. Helens.  However, things don’t seem as they initially appear.

Although the family have always believed it to be the case that my great grandmother was the daughter of Frederick and Theresa, no birth certificate has been located.  By this sort of time, civil registration had been established for quite some time, and other children of Frederick and Theresa were registered.

There was only one Elizabeth Harrison listed whose birth was registered in the December quarter of 1903 in the General Register Office index, and who appears on the Lancashire BMD index as being born in St. Helens.

This Elizabeth was the daughter of Peter Harrison and Margaret Ann Lewis, born at 46 Victoria Street, St. Helens on the 15th September 1903.  The birth was registered by Margaret on the 2nd October 1903.

There was another Elizabeth Harrison born in what was known as Newton in Makerfield (now Newton le Willows), at 25 Birch Street, Newton on the 12th September 1903 to John Henry Harrison and Margaret Jones.  The birth was registered on the 12th October 1903.

I considered another option, the possibility that one of Theresa Travis’s sisters may have been nan’s mum, I did a search on the Lancashire BMD site for an Elizabeth Travis/Traverse born in St. Helens, there was only one registered in 1903, however, that was a cousin of my great grandmother, daughter of Thomas Henry Travis and Alice Ann Harrison who was born on the 2nd December 1902, and whose birth was registered by Alice Ann on the 13th January 1903.

My great grandmother appears on the 1911 census, intriguingly listed as aged 5, daughter of Frederick and Theresa at 12 Sandon Street, St. Helens.

Elizabeth Harrison, daughter of Peter and Margaret Ann appears on the 1911 census at 12 Peel Street, St. Helens.  So this Elizabeth wasn’t adopted by Frederick and Theresa as their own.

There is an Elizabeth Harrison listed on the 1911 census aged 7 as a very likely candidate for the daughter of John Henry Harrison and Margaret Jones.  Her father is listed as “Henry”, and widowed, the family are living at 44 Haydock Lane in 1911, so,once again, this doesn’t appear to be nan.

Elizabeth Travis/Traverse, daughter of Thomas Henry and Alice Ann was also lised on the 1911 census, at 99 Eldon Street, St. Helens.

My great grandparents, Elizabeth Harrison and William Bibby married on the 19th April 1924 at St. Peter’s in Parr.  Nan, aged 20 gave her dad’s name as “Frederick Harrison”.

I have had a couple of DNA matches with people from Theresa Travis’s side of the family, but as yet, no matches with anyone known through my research into the Harrison family.

UPDATE 4th July 2016 – All Elizabeths born in the St. Helens area in the December quarter of 1903 have now been accounted for.  There are no possible births registered for an Elizabeth, whose death wasn’t registered before the 1911 census , or who wasn’t otherwise accounted for on the 1911 Census born on the correct date.

UPDATE 22nd October 2016 – Received the birth certificate of an Elizabeth Harrison born on the 17th October 1905, this Elizabeth was born at 8 Blackhorse Street, St Helens to Joseph and Mary Ann Harrison (nee Wallace), and I think this Elizabeth died in 1909, buried at St. Helens cemetery in a public grave.

Since originally posting, a number of dna matches have been identified confirming nan’s parents as Fred and Theresa.

 

 

Some more research notes

Yes, I have lots of notes, so, here are some more that are floating around on bits of paper.  As with all in this series of research notes, not all of these individuals are related, I jotted  things down at the time just in case they might be related.

 

From the Lancashire records office:

Reference QSP/2942/50 Date – 7th October 1830

Petitions – Kirkdale – Epiphany 1831

File Sutton – Order of filiation and maintenance of James, bastard child of John Allcock of Eccleston, labourer and Ellen Sherratt, singlewoman.

Reference DDX2743/MS5106

Lancaster: Order from 2 J.P.s of Lancaster to the Churchwarden and Overseers of the the Poor of Lancaster, to Convey Reuben Pym and Margaret, his wife to Banwell, Co. Somerset, their place of legal settlement. Copy 1 of 2

Dated 1st October 1817

 

1841 Census returns:

At Hindley Row, Burtonwood, Lancashire, England

Geo. Pownall – 65 – Weaver – born Lancashire

Betty Hill – 40 – widow – born Lancashire

Joseph Hill – 9 – born Lancashire

At Collins Green, Burtonwood

Wm. Hill – 25 – Joiner – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 25 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 3 – Born Lancashire

Also at Collins Green

Wm. Hill – 75 – pauper – Born Lancashire

Ellen Whittle – 35 – Born Lancashire

Henry Hill – 12 – B’smith app – Born Lancashire

Mary Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

Alice Whittle – 5 – Born Lancashire

Ann Whittle – 3 – Born Lancashire

Emma Whittle – 1 – Born Lancashire

At High Street, Newton, Lancashire, England

Moses Hill – 45 – Clogger – Born Lancashire

Ann Hill – 45 – Born Lancashire

Ann Hill – 15 – Born Lancashire

At Dallam Lane, Burtonwood, Lancashire

Thomas Parr – 50 – Ag lab. – Born Lancashire

Martha Parr – 50 – Born Lancashire

Vulcan Foundry, Newton, Lancashire

James Hill – 35 – labr. – Born Lancashire

Elizth. Hill – 30 – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 11 – Born Lancashire

Thomas Hill – 9 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

James Hill – 4 – Born Lancashire

Samuel Hill – 1 – Born Lancashire

Also at Vulcan Foundry

Isaac Hill – 25 – labr. – Born Lancashire

Charlot Hill – 25 – Born Lancashire

Samuel Hill – 7 – Born Lancashire

Mgt. Hill – 4 – Born Lancashire

John Hill – 3 months – Born Lancashire

 

From the probate index:

Thomas Chapman the elder died on the 3rd September 1865 at Ampthill.  Will proved at the Principal Registry by oath of Thomas Chapman of Ampthill the son & sole executor.  Effects under £3000

 

From the index of deaths:

March quarter 1959 – George W Pim – 59 – Burnley – ref. 10b 933

September quarter 1955 – Henry E Pimm – 9 – Blackburn – ref. 10b 320

December quarter 1953 – Elizabeth A Pim – 60 – Nelson – ref. 10e 516

December quarter 1952 – Herbert H Pym – 78 – Preston – 10f 292

March quarter 1952 – Amelia Pym – 80 – Fylde – 10c 302

December quarter 1949 – Alfred Pym – 86 – Lancaster – 10c 546

September quarter 1947 – Isabella Pym – 78 – Lancaster – 10c 422

March quarter 1947 – Jane A Pimm – 74 – Lancaster – 10c 780

December quarter 1946 – William Pym – 81 – Clitheroe – 10c 54

 

From St. Helens, Lancashire electoral registers, registered at each address on the 15th April 1923:  (Spellings as per the electoral register)

31 Tickle Street – Francis, Ellen and William Bibby

2 Francis Street  – Thomas Poynton and Abigail Poynton

19 Robins Lane  – George Charles Pointon and Elizabeth Pointon

37 Sandon Street – Mary Caroline Carney, George Carney, Frederick Harrison Snr. and Frederick Harrison Jnr.

 

From the 1891 Census:

At 172 Parr Stocks Road, Parr

William Bibby – 46 – Head – Coal miner – Born St. Helens, Lancashire

Elizabeth Bibby – 53 – Wife – Born St. Helens, Lancashire

Annie Sharrocks – 8 – niece – Born Chowbent, Lancashire

At 57 Appleton Street, Sutton (All born St. Helens, Lancashire)

Will Harrison – 42 – Head – Collier

Alice Harrison – 38 – Wife

John Harrison – 18 – Son – Coal miner

Alice A Harrison – 15 – Daughter – [I started to write something then scribbled it out]

Fred K Harrison – 13 – Son – Drawer pusher – glass

Sarah Harrison – 10 – Daughter

Louisa Harrison – 8 – Daughter

Ellen Harrison – 6 – Daughter

Florence Harrison – 4 – Daughter

Robert Harrison – 1 – Son

 

And finally, some notes from the probate index:

Abraham Poynton died 11th August 1924 of 7 Laburnum Cottages, Crawshawbooth, Lancs.  Admin 20th September 1924 to Norman Poynton cotton piecer.  Effects £347 15s 8d

Thomas Pointon of 2 Francis Street, St. Helens died 8th Jan 1927.  Admin Liverpool on the 24th March 1927 to Abigail Pointon widow.  Effects £50

Jane Poynton of Netherfield Road North Liverpool (Wife of Wm. Henry) died 8th April 1904 Admin Liverpool to Wm. Henry, a carter.  Effects £84 13s 4d

Mary Pointon of Miles Grn. Audley, Staffs. (Widow) died 5th September 1904.  Probate Lichfield 16th February 1905 to Thomas Pointon miner.  Effects £138 16s

Ellen Bibby of 229 Nutgrove Road, St. Helens, Lancs. widow died on the 24th July 1933.  Probate London on the 8th August 1933 to Albert Winstanley, blacksmith and Ronald Maxwell, solicitor.  Effects £343 5s 11d